Old Kanye West Interview With Sway the Art School Dropout
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THE COLLEGE DROPOUT 10 YEARS Later on
Kanye W ever knew he was a genius—the remainder of the earth only took a little longer to realize it. On the 10th anniversary of his seminal debut album, we revisit a chat with young Yeezy, and behold the shape of things to come up.
Interview by Noah Callahan-Bever
Illustration by Sam Rodriguez • Blitheness by Robert Hribernick
When people know that you know Kanye West—these days, at least—you get a lot of, "Can you believe what he said on [insert Zane Lowe/Breakfast Order/Sway/Concert Rant, etc….]?"
And I always say, "Yeah, I can totally believe it." He's been maxim the same things since I beginning met him in Baronial of 2002:Kanye West is a supreme talent with a definite vision and a ridiculous work ethic, and will you all merely stop questioning him and get the hell out of his way?
Today he's a lot more than achieved, justfaces the same skepticism. Consequently, he'southward a lot more frustrated, too.
Information technology may exist hard to recall in this era of hip-hop—where personal way trumps street credibility and rappers are emerging from all economic classes, ethnicities, and sexual orientations—exactly how unlikely Kanye West'due south musical ascent was 10 years ago. 50 Cent was male monarch and anybody else rapping was vying to exist the second hardest man alive. Every bit a event, despite West's successes producing for Jay Z and having a demo containing "Jesus Walks," he could not grab a intermission. Columbia passed on him. Rawkus passed on him. Even Jay Z didn't see it. West virtually concluded up in Capitol'south house of (aught) hits, right next to Dilated Peoples.
But that didn't happen. Because Kanye Westward is Kanye W. And everything he says about himself, he means that shit, like assertion, assertion, exclamation!!!
And it's a lot. I get it. When I commencement met him at Baseline Studios, during a Blueprint ii session,so I could interview him for Mass Appeal , I wasn't prepared for the full-on onslaught of epic self-conviction and shameless self-evangelizing, either. Coming from a family of low-key big-headed brainiacs that champion feigned humility over braggart salesmanship, I also was taken ashamed. I was expecting your typical beat-making rap nerd. A guy similar me who would desire to talk nigh drum fills and the deviation between the compression on an MPC and an ASR. To my chagrin, Kanye was style more interested in discussing his adidas, which were admittedly burn, and pointing out that he had been wearing them in the studio before sure other MCs name-dropped them on their songs. When Ithrew on the recorder and tried to steer the conversation to music, he basically dismissed all my queries about beats and, incredulous that I wasn't notwithstanding up on his budding rhyme career—recall, this was pre-car crash, pre-"The Bounciness," and pre-Get Well Soon—started rapping at me. Here's the scene: Early September, 2002. It's late afternoon and I'chiliad continuing on the sidewalk in front end of Baseline on 27th Street. The door to Kanye'southward Benz truck is open up and he's sitting in the passenger seat, half inside and half exterior the car. He's cueing beats on the stereo at basis-shaking volume and rapping and rapping and rapping. At me. Pedestrians are walking by looking at both of us like we're nuts. Needless to say, though, he got his point across.
He had a very clear idea of what he wanted the Mass Appeal story to exist, too, and was not shy about letting me know. Throughout the 5- to half dozen-60 minutes ride-along he would often say things similar, "When yous're writing this y'all should say...." Later, at his flat in Hoboken, I chuckled noting that he had nothing on the walls except an early flat screen (which replaced the box-Television infamously given to Sway) and a poster of himself wearing a Nolan Ryan throwback, which he'd diddled up from a quarter-page photograph that ran in The Source's Roc-A-Fella embrace story. This guy... I thought.
But I got over the initial shock of Kanye's Kanye-ness every bit soon equally he started playing sketches of what would get The Higher Dropout. I started to understand him and his behavior. It all made sense. This dude was attempting to buck every trend, every assumption of "what would piece of work," and quite literally alter the grade of popular music. And, in quick succession, popular civilization. Frankly, you take to have King Kong–size balls to even consider such an ambition. And to actualize it, you have to be an unstoppable forcefulness. And unstoppable forces are, by nature, grating. They're motherfucking unstoppable, yo!
Then of course he had to sell me on his rap skills or die trying. And of course he was micromanaging the interview—every sentence could either accelerate his calendar or non. And of course he had to have the hero shot of himself diddled up in the crib. He was visualizing himself equally a star. The grating and the peachy were inextricably bound.And, for this, we should exist grateful.
Wait at the landscape of music and civilisation today. It all starts with The Higher Dropout, and West'south audacious belief in his ain ability to modify the world.
Here's a conversation with young Kanye West, back before I or anyone else knew who Kanye W was going to get—except Kanye W, of class.
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Tin'T Stop ME FROM RAPPING
What's this trounce?
When [Jay Z] first heard information technology, he stopped the beat, called Hip-Hop—who was my director and also Hov's main A&R—into the room, and started talking near, "Man, y'all understand what this is? Why y'all not hype?" Hov don't e'er show that much emotion, and he's like "Yo, let'due south phone call Hype Williams correct now." He started thinking up video concepts before he fifty-fifty wrote the rap. That'south how crazy—he just knew it was crazy like that."
So is that done at present?
Yes, he got it up at that place right now but Beyoncé's part is not on it yet. This right here is kind of crazy, though. [Turns upward beat out for "03 Bonnie & Clyde"] …I was supposed to write some shit similar:
[Rapping.]
Ayo, planes, trains, automobiles
The G500 with the auto-roll wheels
The Pinot Grigio got 'em on arctic
Meet now, run into me hoe, I got that deal
If you trying to build, I bet you'd similar that
My father was a Black Panther with Geronimo Pratt
And back in college I ain't run with no frat
I just ran with the track that put the Chi on the map [one]
Now the Roc in the building UIC Pavillion
Two years ago I was only a civilian
Now every chickenhead swear I got millions
In area codes with unidentified children...
Agree up, concord up. [Cuts off the beat, keeps rapping.]
I used to want the Jordans that's most contempo
At present I throw Jordans on the whip just to wait decent
Just to get pulled over by the precinct, so frequent
It'south similar I'm dorsum being a delinquent
They want to know where I live, stay and piece of work
How a young black nigga get all these perks
How I stack my paper, got adidas in every season
Alibi me officer, I don't know Rod Laver
Or Stan Smith
What they don't sympathize is, how I got that color in sail.
And then he got this other song that the Neptunes produced. I was like similar, "Yo, human. I know y'all going to laugh when I say this but y'all demand to allow me rap on your first single, correct?" [Laughs.]
How'd that go over?
The song was already consummate, he wouldn't allow nobody—non Cam, not Beans, nobody was rapping on this shit. Not Michael Jackson. No one. I was similar,"Permit me rap. Because I'm really finna surprise y'all how large of an artist I'm finna exist. [two] Y'all gon' exist like 'Damn, don't he do beats too?'"
But my rap I had for it, it was similar on some grown-human being shit like how the rest of my anthology is. Information technology was real similar to the vein of shit I talk nigh: Concepts, relationships, dealing with, like, real people, not just dealing with fans looking at stars or just like, "I'one thousand a big rapper." It's more like "I'yard one of y'all." And that'due south how Hov's rap was, like, "Yo she's talking to Shawn not Hov."
So my rap, I came with said...
[Rapping.]
She said "Kanye who? Yous produce?"
Act like she all out of the loop
Like I couldn't make all this loot offa all these loops
Says she don't heed to Roc-A-Fella, she merely listen to Roots
Says she don't like trucks, she just get into coupes
Survey says my run a risk is real depression of knocking the boots
I got a Plan B planned out for when things don't pan out
Hov tell her you lot my blood brother and I'ma play Chi brother
And you lot accept the Destiny's Child girl in the coupe
And I'm gonna try to bag the ones that got kicked out the group
Effigy that'll be simple, I only aid them with they demo
Aid them to the limo
Play nothing only instrumentals
That old Luther Vandross
Al B gentle
[Sings] I'll be very gentle, remember that?
She grabbed my tattoo, peeped the credentials
Grabbed my pants, peeped the potential
We breaking all the fundamentals
Trying to find something fun to become into..."
And so that nigga [Jay] was like, "Ooooh! That shit is crazy! —Nope." [3] [ Laughs.]
What are your parents' names?
Donda Westward and Raymond West.
What do they do for work?
My father did a little bit of everything coming upward. He was a photographer when I was young and he had a loft apartment when we stayed in Atlanta. They always had prissy cribs.
Then my father ended up being a salesman. I remember he was in vacuum cleaner sales and we used to go to white people's houses and he'd sit up in that location and show them how powerful the vacuum cleaner was past putting a penny on the flooring and and so put the vacuum cleaner over information technology and then Pop! Information technology would come out and he would take bent the penny. So he'd get upwardly at that place, like, "Expect at this vacuum cleaner!" And he'd give them his carte du jour and he'd have me to get get some water ice cream or something.
And and so the next day I'd see him go to some other white person's house, put down the penny and shit, like, "Look at this vacuum cleaner!" We had a Nova and I remember some days we would ride effectually and he had vacuum cleaners in the back and nosotros'd be going up a hill and the machine would end. And I merely come across him, similar, "Not today. Not today."
How long were your parents together?
Until I was like, 3.
And so your father moved out?
I used to go to Atlanta to come across him, but when I was 6 or vii he moved out to Maryland for a job. I forgot which job.
Did he ever remarry?
Yeah. He married iv times. He works as a Christian wedlock advisor.
I can run into why.
Yeah. [Laughs.]
He probably knows a matter or ii. And your mother?
She never remarried. But she had this one boyfriend [4] , who to me to this day was similar my step-father. I feel like he helped teach me responsibility, like I ain't get to go play basketball. I had to cutting the grass—but wait where I'thousand at.
My mother was going to exist an actress when she was young. When she graduated from her four-yr programme to get her available's caste, she went to some acting tryout. And if she had gotten that she would've followed the interim. Only she ain't get it so she went back to school.
Where'd she become?
She went to Clark in Atlanta. That'southward where she met my begetter. And at present she got her Ph.D in English language, so then she became a teacher and she found a task at Chicago State. I went to Chicago Land for half cost because I didn't desire to exist in school no way. It was only something to practise while my music wasn't really popping. By that time my mother became the caput of the English department. The first black chair of the English department at Chicago Land University, not to mention female. So now she had the department and I could but turn in my homework whenever I wanted. My whole goal when I went to Chicago State was but to walk around with my Ghostface chain, Polo'd up. Merely be the coldest.
So take me back to college, did you graduate from school?
Nah, human. I'chiliad a college dropout. You ain't heard the anthology title?
Nah.
That'south the album title.
Oh it is? Hey man, I'm right there with you.
That'due south exactly what I want people to think with that title: "I'm right there with you." I've thought about calling my shit I'm Practiced, considering that's a "cool" title, like just having a championship that'southward similar, "Yo, y'all tin't criticize that." But for me to try and put on the facade of being the coolest motherfucker e'er, information technology'south not going to come up across similar that. I'm not saying I'yard the coolest motherfucker ever, I'm simply saying I'm merely a fucking smart-ass. [5] I got to put it in raps."
Tell me about growing upwards in Chicago.
In Chicago yous're going to do one of 3 things. You're either going to exist sports—straight basketball or football—or y'all're going to be hip-hop, like actually focus on hip-hop and the culture—or you going to exist gangbanging. Y'all might be doing all this and gang-banging at the aforementioned time because 99 percent of people in Chicago is gangbanging.
We was gangbanging in kindergarten. We was on the school bus throwing up gang signs like, "Which gang sign was which once again?" Perpetrating and shit. Moving our hats to the whatever side, and when the Starter coats came out, "I'ma get the Bulls and I'ma do this, this, this." And if yous wasn't none of that, you was merely a fucking lame and shit.
That's how Chicago is. This gangbanging shit is so existent that you not going to forepart any. One time you lot grown and you encounter niggas getting their heads chopped off and you going to funerals, yous either going to take it to the fullest or you lot going to be like, "Nah, information technology'southward not for me." I know it's not for me. I know that.
So basically, my main focus became music. I been making tracks since seventh grade. I was on the basketball game team freshman twelvemonth. I used to play for Eisenhower and we went to some tournament or something. But by sophomore year, I had been working on my music so much that by the time we went to tryouts, I'm just directly missing layups and shit.
So you just decided to...
I didn't decide. God decided for me. Niggas was looking at me like, "Perhaps this merely ain't your sport." I remember when we was in the layup line we had to clap our easily like this [regular clapping] only when I was doing my clap, my shit was more similar [claps and knocks beat], and niggas was like, "Damn. Maybe that's what you demand to do and shit." [Knocks twice.] And then at that signal, basically, I just switched over to focusing on that.
You said you lot used to bring back slang and whatnot from the Eastward Coast.
Yeah. My father stayed in Delaware for the latter part of his life but his father was in the Air Force, so he had to wing around. He spent some of his loftier schoolhouse years in Federal republic of germany so he was never at i school. And they ever stayed around white people.
So when he finally got the opportunity to get to a black schoolhouse everybody was like, "Yo, you talk white." They wouldn't accept him. And when he was around white people, yous were a nigga off the bat so they weren't trying to accept him. I seen how that injure him. So whereas my begetter struggled with that, basically I learned how to speak every language.
I always talk about racial issues[6] —black people and white people interacting and racial profiling and all that—considering I got locked upwardly one day for having braids and driving in an Expedition. And they said, "Your braids is what gave you away."
How all this relates is—I ain't trying to forepart. I'm aware of shit. Because a lot of rappers.... Am I supposed to get here and say, "Yo man, I sold drugs and I did this?" Because I never did none of that. Is that automatically going to lower my tape sales similar crazy because I said I never sold crack? I apologize. I only went and got a chore. Whatever.
Then what was the first matter you started building beats on?
The Casio, that old sampler that everybody talks about they had. I didn't take that until some talentless dude down the street had information technology. And he would never let me go on it—he'd simply come over with information technology. My mom had bought me a keyboard. Just to establish, she didn't know—I wanted to be a freestyle biker, I wanted to draw, brand video games—and then she didn't know I wanted to make beats. I remember one day when I was making beats in her crib, she told me, "Kanye, until y'all make money off this, it's a hobby." [7] But she'south never the type to say nothing negative toward music.
She wanted to get me the keyboard with the big keys and so I could larn how to play. The other keyboards had modest keys, just that i had sequences on information technology and so I could play and save it. But she didn't buy me that one because information technology was $fifty more. She was like, "I don't want to pay for that." Then she turned around, totally redeeming herself, and she helped me get my ASR x keyboard.
I really started getting into the music thing effectually freshman year—around the time of my curt-lived hooping career. I was with my male parent when I was 14 years old talking about, "I want a Korg keyboard." Because the best keyboard I ever saw was the Korg. So we went to a music shop and I said I desire a Korg and the guy was similar, "What kind of music do you lot make?" I said "hip-hop," and he was like, "People like yous do what they call sampling." I could never figure out why EPMD beats were then much better than what I hear in my head.
And then he went up to show me a keyboard, information technology was an former Ensoniq and I hit a primal and it played the drums from "Summertime." I was like, "Oh shit!" You would've thought I saw Michael Jackson or something. I was like "Damn. This is crazy. This shit sounds so common cold."
I know you lot produced Grav'southward "City to City." Was that the offset matter?
Yeah, the Grav album was the first shit that came out—damn, you brought it dorsum for real. I did three joints on the anthology. I rapped on Grav'south album, too. I was 18 when I did Gravity'south anthology.
You were in school?
I was going to higher.
Where at?
Chicago. By that time I was going to Chicago Land University. I met Grav when I was going to the American Academy of Fine art. With his album I fabricated $8,800 off of eight beats altogether—like $1,100 a trounce. I took half the money and I bought one of those Jesus pieces like everybody wore, but dorsum then Ghostface was the beginning nigga with that chain. So I had a Ghostface Jesus piece and I spent the other half on Polo, because Polo was real in manner. I'ma say it was the smartest investment I ever made with my money. [eight] What was I going to get with $8,800? At least I got something that I could go on for a 2nd, you lot know what I'm maxim?
And so information technology got to the betoken where No I.D. was finna play out his album, and he wanted my concatenation for the video shoot, but he didn't want to wear somebody else'south chain. He said, "I'll merchandise you my SP1200 for your chain" considering my drums was weak so he was proverb, "Yo, you lot need an SP1200." I ain't accept no money, but I had the chain and then nosotros just traded and he rocked that chain in his first video with Doug Infinite.
That's funny. The "State to Land" video?
Yeah. I think that's what it'southward chosen.
What records were pivotal to you lot?
The reason I'm so existent today is because of MC Hammer and Kid 'n Play. Those were my favorite rappers back in the 24-hour interval. I felt like they was existent. They making music that I wanted to hear. I remember someone played me some Jungle Brothers, and I was like, "Ew, I'm not feeling that correct at that place." De La Soul's "Me, Myself, and I" was the starting time hip-hop song I liked. At that point information technology was EPMD, Run-DMC, LL Cool J, Beastie Boys. Remember that? I'd be at my mama's crib. This is dorsum when people used to sit down they tape player on top of they TV.
What music exercise you listen to for inspiration?
Midnight Marauders. I listen to sure classics to figure out where I want to go. I listen to Lauryn Hill'due south anthology, Pharcyde's start album, that'southward one of my favorite albums of all time. That articulation however sells 1,000 a week.
You lot say you weren't feeling the Jungle Brothers. Where did you selection up your ear for that sound?
I got that from No I.D., from Common Sense'southward kickoff album, which is much later than the Jungle Brothers.
It's definitely the same thing though.
It's the aforementioned thing only the way they was doing information technology wasn't like they made me want to do it. Information technology's kind of like how people had soul beats, just there's something about the fashion me, Just Bonfire, Bink, and Jay Z did onThe Blueprint that made everybody want to do information technology. People had throwback jerseys for the longest. I went out and bought that actual jersey soon as I saw Big Boi in the "Sky Loftier" Goodie Mob video. That was what, six years ago?
Aye '97 or '98.
OK, so four years ago. You lot remember when he had that throwback on?
Yeah!
I went out and bought one. Just there was something nigh Hov and Fabolous, something about the way they did it made everybody exit and go information technology. And I'thou a good producer but the opportunity to have Hov rap on your beats makes all the difference in the world considering he sets trends. People exercise what he does. They want to practise whatsoever he does, he's like the poster kid of industry, fashion, business organisation, hustler [9] , everything that people desire to be. So when Hov rapped on soul beats everybody else wanted to rap on soul beats.
Yous worked with dead prez, Jermaine Dupri, and the Harlem World shit before 2000?
Yep.
Speaking of which, I simply noticed that Harlem World had a articulation from you lot and from Simply Blaze.
That was crazy right?
Was that random?
Ma$e is the blazon of rapper that wanted to give new producers that he felt a new drop. So let'southward not forget Ma$e, to a certain extent, institute Just Blaze, Kanye Due west, and The Neptunes. That's a nigga that knows how to pick beats. Ma$east plant them, but Hov—to a certain extent—made Just Blaze, Kanye West, and The Neptunes stars.
When did you first start rapping?
I've been rapping since third form and I had to figure out at an early age most audience and who you lot're rapping to and saying the correct thing to your audience. Right now I could spit any of my raps to a nigga on the corner, somebody in a barbershop, only I could get into a corporate function and say the same rap [10] and they will understand what I'm talking about. It'south so universal.
I recall I was trying to arrive this talent show and the Fat Boys had a song so we formed a little group, nosotros fabricated ourselves be The Skinny Boys—information technology was OK to bite dorsum in the days. And so we got up there and we sang our song and the song was [singing] "The fat girls are dorsum/And you know they will never be wack/The fat girls are dorsum…."
Why did I not have into consideration that our music instructor that nosotros're performing this for, was like nearly 260 pounds? So at that point I figured out the audition and who y'all're rapping to could exist the key to whether or not you make the talent bear witness.
I don't think that God gave me any specific talent other than the power to learn how to exercise things. Because when I was focused on basketball, I was actually kind of cold but now I'yard mad mediocre. I was an creative person ever since I was trivial. When I was focusing on that, I won every contest and got a scholarship for my offset twelvemonth of college to go to the American Academy of Art and The Art Institute, just I went to the American Academy of Art. And at present, if I sit down and try to draw, it's going to be decent, merely it'due south not going to exist similar, "Yo, canis familiaris, you won a scholarship."
Then now, look, I said, "I'one thousand going to focus on beats fully." And so I ended upwardly doing the most beats on the first archetype album of the century, [The Blueprint]. Now, I'thousand partially responsible for the nigh classic albums this century because of the Scarface. I know I need a real powerful way to discussion that, merely I'm partially responsible for the most classic albums this century because I focused on that.
Now, is he going to be a proficient rapper? We got Grammy nominated for "H to the Izzo" for the album The Blueprint and I said, "Look, I'm going to focus on rap," and I ended up on the hottest rap label in the world. What the fuck I look like rapping? How did I terminate up on Roc-A-Fella? I never had a skillful voice. I never really had a good rapper story. I wasn't ever that much of a pimp where I just had mad girls. I never was shooting at niggas, so what was it? It was merely focus. I decided I want to do this.
That'south another reason I want to rap, too. Not just to be a rapper, but to limited my sarcastic, my asshole opinion nearly things. My edgeless, "Like, expect dog, that'southward stupid to me," opinion. I wanted the opportunity to non just be having hot shoes on, then the rapper see the shoes, and put them on TV. I desire a chance. Allow me do the photo shoot. Let me get a deal and see my face.
Nobody really could understand the passion I had for my music because my beats, as proficient as my fuckin' raps are, yet surpass my raps. The only way that my raps could mayhap be as practiced every bit my beats, I'd have to be as good as Eminem or as good as Jay Z [11] because that's the quotient of my beats. Merely I could still be not every bit good every bit Eminem or Jay Z and still exist a number-one rap artist. It'due south difficult to compete with my beats, human being.
Capitol, they offered me like a half million or something like that, then right before, I recollect one of the people at Capitol said, "Nah, I don't fuck with Kanye considering if he could actually rap, Def Jam would've signed him or he'd be on the Roc." Then information technology was a catch-22.
People were like, "Damn, if the Roc don't believe in him, then why should we go with him?" So they passed. They passed and I signed with Roc-A-Fella. Then they bring in 50 motherfucking Cent and they passed.
So I desire to definitely requite props. In this article tin we please put, "Gee Roberson, Hip-Hop, Dame Dash, Hova, and Kareem 'Biggs' Burke changed my life." I want to put all those names considering I don't know who I could give more credit.
Tin can I give more credit to Hip-Hop for realizing that I could actually exist an creative person and a producer and maxim he wanted to manage me? Do I give more than credit to Gee for dealing with Kanye the fucking "I want information technology right now" asshole every unmarried twenty-four hour period? Exercise I give props to Hov for establishing me every bit a true quality producer?
Practice I give props to Biggs for every vocal that I come in with, suggesting shit like, "Yo, let'southward put Michael Jackson on the 'Girls' remix," you know what I'thou saying? Do I give the props to Matriarch for signing me to Roc-A-Fella as an artist and proverb, "Dog, listen. He tin can rap. I'm Dame Dash. I said information technology. Fuck with me."
This is what Dame told me when he heard it: "Yo, man. Yo on the existent that shit is scary, human being. Fuck with me I'll fire niggas." I was about to sign with Capitol Records and I but wanted to play some songs in the studio with Cam and these existent rapping niggas just to come across how far I got. Then I played this one song and Matriarch was similar, "Oh shit! Information technology's non even wack. It's not even wack! That shit is kind of hot. OK, OK play some more." Immature Guru was telling me which songs to play, because he was the ghost A&R at Roc-A-Fella. And then then I play "Jesus Walks" and he heard that, he's like, "Yo, Cam. Cam! We should sign Kanye. What you think, man? We could exercise similar the East Coast Chronic!"
So on the new album you lot've got "Two Words," "Keep the Receipt," and "I'll Never Change."
And this song right hither is "Hey Mama," which I'm going to play. They accidently put 'Hey Ma,' I'm like, "No. This is 'Hey Mama.' In that location's a reason." Because these songs have meaning, the words solitary mean something. It makes sense in paragraph form.
Tell me nearly this song and most your relationship with your mom.
"Hey Mama." My mama is definitely responsible for me being here and supporting me. And the song I made for her is the greatest song I ever made. I don't know if I could ever make a song amend than this, always. She was merely always supportive—never one of those "You need to give that dream up" people.
Aside from Dre and Big Professor, there take non been that many producers who became successful rappers. How good is your new anthology going to exist?
I think Large Professor's dope. Annihilation I would say would exist too arrogant at this signal. Just I feel like I really am going to exist a very, very big creative person. Non merely a hip-hop artist or simply an underground rapper.
When "Looking Out the Forepart Door" came out, it was a big record, as big as rap was back then. I don't think they were considered underground.
Possibly it will be like that, then. Considering I figure at this point with the sound that I got, the hardest part will be making a second album.
Source: https://www.complex.com/music/kanye-west-interview-honorary-degree-2014-cover-story
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